I Debated a "Gay Ex-Trad" on Sexual Ethics

In this conversation, Trent Horn and Cade Bradley go head-to-head on some of the hardest questions in modern sexual ethics: whether morality is grounded in natural law or human flourishing, whether affirmation actually improves outcomes, and whether data alone can settle moral debates. They also clash over same-sex relationships, public norms, schools, DSM history, transgender questions, and the limits of harm-based reasoning. Cade's channel: @GayExTrad To support this channel: https://www.patreon.com/counseloftrent [NEW] Counsel of Trent merch: https://shop.catholic.com/apologists-alley/trent-horn-resources/ Be sure to keep up with our socials! https://www.tiktok.com/@counseloftrent https://www.twitter.com/counseloftrent https://www.instagram.com/counseloftrentpodcast 00:00:00 - Intro 00:03:16 Cade’s story: trad Catholicism, atheism, and sexuality 00:10:37 Prompt 1: How should society understand sexuality? 00:16:43 Drawing the moral fence: consent, adultery, and one-night stands 00:23:17 Bestiality, disgust, and whether harm is enough 00:31:33 Prompt 2: How should society respond to same-sex attraction? 00:36:56 Health outcomes, marriage, and social approval 00:47:17 Public indecency, schools, and age-appropriate boundaries 00:48:54 Can consequences ever redefine morality? 00:55:38 Genetic sexual attraction and first principles 00:57:12 Affirmation, suicide, and competing outcomes 01:07:00 Prompt 3: Gender identity and how society should respond 01:15:08 Youth transition, regret, and Europe’s pushback 01:19:11 Strategy, activism, and “After the Ball” 01:29:55 Data vs. first principles 01:31:02 Final statements and closing exchange