Chatting with an Ex-Catholic About Catholicism

In this episode Trent sits down with Michael Pagano of @TrueChristian to discuss his views on Catholicism. Michael's website: www.truechristianministry.com Michael's book: https://amzn.to/4a32DuS Trent's Article on Revelation 12 - https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/is-mary-the-woman-in-revelation-12 To support this channel: https://www.patreon.com/counseloftrent [NEW] Counsel of Trent merch: https://shop.catholic.com/apologists-alley/trent-horn-resources/ Be sure to keep up with our socials! https://www.tiktok.com/@counseloftrent https://www.twitter.com/counseloftrent https://www.instagram.com/counseloftrentpodcast 00:25 Introducing Michael Pagano 01:14 Why Catholic-Protestant dialogue matters 03:06 Christians behaving like Christians online 04:09 Salvation, works, and common ground 06:18 Michael’s Catholic upbringing 07:28 Michael’s conversion story 09:02 Scripture study and leaving Catholicism 10:06 Discovering sola Scriptura 11:12 Michael’s Protestant theology today 12:41 Calvinism, predestination, and Reformed Baptists 14:51 Why Catholicism and Reformed theology clash 15:19 Marian devotion and prayer to saints 20:08 The Assumption of Mary and binding dogma 22:17 What must Christians believe to be saved? 24:25 The Trinity, Virgin Birth, and revealed doctrine 27:49 How do we know what God revealed? 29:22 The canon, Hebrews, and Church authority 31:07 Reformation history and shared Christian roots 32:32 Latin Mass, Eastern Catholics, and global Catholicism 34:51 Apostles, succession, and authority in the Church 38:32 Biblical clarity, inerrancy, and salvation 41:25 The early Church, canon, and Catholic doctrine 42:42 Baptism, infants, and the Didache 45:22 The catacombs, purgatory, and the dead 46:18 Baptism debates and hyper-dispensationalism 48:27 Church authority and infallibility 56:17 Church Fathers and historical reliability 1:04:00 Online church vs. local church 1:05:10 Michael’s experience at the House of Mary 1:09:59 Trent’s experience with Marian devotion 1:12:16 Catholics, Protestants, and the gospel 1:13:21 Mary, the Assumption, and discipleship 1:15:34 Mary, sin, and grace 1:17:22 The Immaculate Conception 1:18:45 Marian typology and Revelation 12 1:21:11 Verse battles and deeper dialogue 1:22:13 The papacy and Revelation’s seven churches 1:24:07 Trent’s response on Rome and Clement 1:26:40 Atonement and Soteriology 1:35:13 Justification, grace, and sacraments 1:44:08 Eternal security and falling away 2:00:35 Closing thoughts and future conversations