Does True Freedom Exist? Max Jeganathan vs Andrew Copson • Hosted by Andy Kind

Is our obsession with personal autonomy leading to fulfilment— or fracture? Max Jeganathan (author of The Freedom Trap) and Andrew Copson (CEO of Humanists UK) explore the purpose, power, and pitfalls of freedom. While Max argues that unexamined individualism breeds anxiety, disconnection, and moral confusion, Andrew defends freedom as a means to happiness, but warns against excessive egoism. The discussion spans everything from Nazi resistance and speeding laws to Taylor Swift and tech billionaires, with surprising agreements and sharp disagreements - particularly over the value of self-sacrifice and whether belief in God really matters. A nuanced, often humourous journey through politics, ethics and belief hosted by comedian and writer Andy Kind, this episode asks: is true freedom found in autonomy, or in responsibility, community and even love? Andrew Copson is Chief Executive of Humanists UK and the current President of Humanists International. His books include The Little Book of Humanism (2020) and The Little Book of Humanist Weddings (2021) with Alice Roberts; Secularism: A Very Short Introduction (Oxford University Press, 2019); and The Wiley-Blackwell Handbook of Humanism (2015) with A. C. Grayling. Bluesky: @andrewcopson Facebook: @mrandrewcopson Priyan Max Jeganathan is a speaker and writer for the Centre for Public Christianity in Australia. Max is a former lawyer and political and policy adviser. He has spoken at universities including the University of Oxford and Imperial College and at global businesses including Goldman Sachs, Lego, Nike, Samsung and Amazon. His new book: The Freedom Trap explores the nature, power, beauty and trappings of freedom - SHOP HERE: https://amzn.to/4df6cOW Instagram: @primaxjeg Facebook: @primaxjeg SOCIAL LINKS Twitter: https://twitter.com/unbelievablefe Facebook: / https://facebook.com/premierunbelievable Instagram: / https://instagram.com/premierunbelievable Tik Tok: / https://tiktok.com/@premier.unbelievable 👉 Get bonus content, updates, fascinating articles, and early access to new episodes—absolutely free! Join now at www.premierunbelievable.com 🎉📢 • Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast: https://pod.link/267142101 • More shows, free eBook & newsletter: https://premierunbelievable.com • For live events: http://www.unbelievable.live • For online learning: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/training • Support us in the USA: http://www.premierinsight.org/unbelievableshow • Support us in the rest of the world: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/donate